Hello,

welcome to another episode of Cloud

Unplugged.

We have four news articles

based on this week's news.

We have Microsoft's four

hundred million dollar

investment in basically

expanding the Swiss data

center for AI and cloud infrastructure.

We have the evolutionary scales,

new synthetic fluorescent

protein production produced

through the usage of the

ESM-III AI model.

We have the drone attack on

Russia by Ukraine.

And we also have the

AI-powered dog collar by Fee,

which you can now integrate

into your Apple Watch to

track all the information about your dog.

Lewis... That's what we're leading with.

That's the biggest news article.

It is the biggest,

probably the biggest news article going,

yeah.

Russia, Ukraine.

Yeah, whatever.

The Apple Watch integration for your dog.

That's...

Yeah, okay.

I mean, it's up there.

It's up there as compelling news.

Anything you want to say

about the weekend or

anything else before we get

straight into it?

Well, it was my birthday.

Oh, yes.

How old are you, Dan?

I am four-four, so I'm double four.

Very honest of you.

Yeah, unfortunately, slightly depressing,

but...

Didn't really do very much.

I am going to France soon

and also had other things planned.

I have for some reason

seemed to have acquired

other fellow Dune babies as friends.

So I seem to have quite a

fair few friends that are

in the same time,

but I kind of circle around

the same time as me.

so a lot of the time there's

always like maybe dual

things planned so people

don't have to basically

especially when you share

the same social circle

they're basically going the

same people are going to

multiple birthdays so

they're all the same

birthday almost so yeah um

but yeah nothing too

exciting with good weather

and now it's not so good um

and I'm just planning the

french trip which I'm very

excited about I'm gonna drive

oh nice I'm gonna be driving

there which sneakily they

were like I'm doing the

euro tunnel so the shuttle

um and they were like your

car's very wide um so you

basically we need to

allocate you a different

space and then I was like

kind of going through the

pavement and things like

that and I was like I'm

sure this is way more

expensive than when I drove last time

So that's like fiddling

around with like types of cars.

And when you're doing it,

you then go to another page

and you just have a price

and you just choose the date.

So you wouldn't know that

that kind of price on the

date when you're selecting

was based on your car,

but actually it changes the

price based on the car that's coming in.

But you think the price is

based on the time because

obviously you're on a

completely different screen

with the calendar choosing

which date you want to

travel and what time you want to travel,

and the prices differ on there.

So you wouldn't know if you

go back onto the previous

page and change the car and

then come back again

whether the price would change.

So it's a bit crafty.

Not like I was worried about the price.

I was just like,

I'm sure it's very different,

and it just turns out, yeah,

it was actually more money

for my car for some unknown reason.

Not a very interesting fact,

but I thought I'd share that.

Anyway, how was your weekend?

You can edit.

I suppose the price of your

car and the size of it

compared with a motorcycle

that you chose the first

time would be different.

No, a Hummer.

I'm being facetious.

A Hummer was less.

A Hummer was less.

Wow.

My weekend was good.

I planned a holiday.

So like you, ish,

but it wasn't my birthday.

You're going to France?

No, I'm not.

I'm going to Turkey.

I planned and booked a holiday,

which is all good.

Turkey would be very good.

It'll be very hot though, will it not?

Yeah.

We went to China last year

and it was forty five degrees.

So hot Celsius.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was ridiculous.

Absolutely.

That is insanely hot, to be fair.

It is.

Well, I don't think I could.

you couldn't be outside for

very long no wow extreme

anyway should we do the

news but anyway yeah let's

get stuck into the news so

four hundred million pounds

being spent I think

currently they're expanding

geneva and zurich data

centers um because of the

demand the demand I'm doing

it in speech speech marks

but I I think it's

kind of maybe a bit of both.

Probably is a demand, obviously,

on AI workloads.

Obviously, it's quite a lot of banking,

pharmaceutical companies in Switzerland.

But I think it's to do with

Trump a little bit.

I think that's my... I'm all

for conspiracy theories.

That's what I want to...

be based on um I don't know

what you think about I

don't know if you followed

much about this and the

cloud act and all those

shenanigans and what it all

means I mean I just read a

surface um level really uh

you know I heard that

they're investing in as a

region um into existing data centers um

but also to the Swiss

economy and into AI

excellence and other programs.

so yeah I mean it's a center

for regulation un and ngo

headquarters in geneva it

seems you know their

government wants to

reciprocally receive money

in these areas um and their

industry also one want to

have local um ai uh

excellence so yeah but I

haven't really known about

the the the trump angle well

I could be completely wrong

and it could just literally

be just pure demand.

Um,

but I just think there's a bit of

obviously the geopolitics at the moment,

you know,

and the announcements on trying

to get a deal with the USC,

trying to get a deal.

They're not going anywhere.

The deal's going nowhere.

They're not working with us properly.

Okay.

So I just think there's

obviously a lot of uncertainty,

the whole Ukraine kind of element,

and then the EU having to

pick up the pieces and the

UN and EU not pulling their weight,

essentially.

I just think it's just geopolitically,

obviously, just a lot going on.

But when he was in power in

two thousand eighteen,

Microsoft and the FBI,

there was a court case

going on where the FBI

wanted access to the emails.

They wanted the emails.

I can't remember exactly

what the trial was about,

but they wanted these

emails for evidence reasons.

But they were obviously on

the island's data center storage.

And they refuted saying you

can't have them because

they're an island and it's

not in your jurisdiction.

So they passed the bill to say, well,

we'll need to change that

because there's already an act,

some storage act,

which obviously protects

the fact that if it's not

in their jurisdiction,

so they created the cloud act, which says,

well, irrespective of where the data is,

you're a US company.

This is US law.

You now need to just give us

the data anyway, because we want it.

So, and then that happened.

And then now he's back,

twenty twenty five.

So your conspiracy is

basically that the US

administration are helping.

Politically,

to somehow enable these

companies to give away free

or to have good rates

reciprocally with

government sovereign data

centers around the world,

a bit like they did for Saudi.

but in all territories so

that they can say, yeah,

whatever your laws are,

we're actually going to

look at the data anyway.

Is that in summary?

I think something a little bit like that,

yeah.

I think, though,

obviously the Cloud Act

would have to be an agreement, I imagine,

between – I mean,

I don't – I'm not obviously

a legal individual.

This is, like, way beyond my knowledge –

but we,

I do know that the UK has signed

the cloud act or has

entered into the cloud act.

Um,

and Europe is still negotiating the

cloud act and obviously

Switzerland being

Switzerland feels like a safe bet, um,

out of all the places to

remain pretty protective

and data sovereign.

I would say Switzerland's

pretty much up there.

So if you are gonna choose

where to expand and, um,

within the European continent,

it seems like a safe bet

given what's going on at

the moment geopolitically.

So that's my hunch.

But on why there?

Like, why not?

I mean, they are expanding to other places,

but why make such a big

investment compared to others?

And it could just be demand.

I don't know.

But it just seems a little

bit suspect to me.

It just seems a little bit suspect to me,

that's all.

But they are going to train

a million people on AI by

twenty twenty seven.

So I just wonder if they're

going to use AI to train a

million people on AI.

They are.

And then they're going to

train the AIs on the people

and then use those people

to train their AIs.

Yes.

That's how it needs to be, yeah.

Perfect sense.

To not exfiltrate any data

on sovereign soil.

That's what they're going to

train it to do.

Until you basically can't

work out who's people and

who's AI and who's training who, really,

in the end.

Are we serious?

Are we actually serious?

A little bit silly.

yeah so you obviously don't

think that you think it's

all pretty I don't know the

the cloud companies spend a

lot of time and money

trying to demonstrate how

their encryption is um

asymmetric and you can't

decrypt and they can't

decrypt it and everything's

safe but obviously if you

insert yourself at the

right part of the process

at some point it's in memory

at some points in memory but

there's you know there's

safe memory sort of

observation all sorts of

things but yeah I don't

know it gets pretty

technical pretty fast um

about how uh how effective

all these measures are and

which exploits are

available but I don't know

it's a bit of a stretch to

say the government's

listening from america

But, yeah, not impossible.

They're not listening.

It's just the fact that they

maybe worry about, you know,

if you are trying to protect,

if you're a cloud company

that's about growth and you

want Europe to be investing

and you can see investments

moving out of the U.S.,

into europe because of the

instability of the us and

you're wanting to attract

the usage of your cloud to

you know obviously grow

your investment then it's a

better choice to be like

well just in case you were worried

about maybe the US getting

access to your data or

there's some reasons why

you may not want to use

Microsoft because of the

things going on in the

States that may move your

workloads into some

competitors or some local, you know,

more regional.

American companies are

involved at all points just because.

Exactly.

Then let's do Switzerland.

Yeah, you've got data sovereignty.

We're not going to give you data,

not part of the cloud.

I think anyway.

Fair, fair.

That's just my opinion.

So evolutionary scale.

I didn't really know much

about evolutionary scale at

all until it popped up on

actually did pop up on my

phone randomly around.

There's a bit of news around

this synthetic protein,

fluorescent protein that

they managed to produce using AI modeling,

using AI model on obviously

the protein itself to

actually generate a synthetic protein.

And they managed to achieve it,

the first ever one, apparently.

And that's what it said on

the article I read.

And it's called ESM-III is the model.

But yeah,

you're obviously more connected

to pharmaceutical individuals than I am.

You've got friends that are

in this space and...

uh what do you think about

you're more credible than I

am on this I don't know

about more credible I I

yeah I did um listen to

some information about this

company um and that they're

they're a spin out from um

meta um ai researchers um with a um

a specific model to that's

multimodal and not really not

traditional element it uses

transformers at its base

but um it has three d

spatial information about

the structure of proteins

but also how that structure

relates to amino acid

sequence so you can

sequences which are in turn

related to dna sequences

and then at the other end

related to traits of how specific

folded protein structures

affect the world and are

affected by the world.

So therefore could be have

efficacy in drugs or in

specific bio applications.

And

They're building on other

open source models in this

area and data produced by those models.

So AlphaFold produced by Google.

Was that this year or last year?

DeepMind.

Yeah, DeepMind, Google produced AlphaFold,

which can accurately

predict protein structure

from amino acid sequences,

which is absolutely insane

and is one of the,

one of the cornerstones of

biology and it basically

reduces ten years worth of

effort into hours which is

unprecedented and it's the

rate of acceleration of all

these fields as a result

and this is a result where

this model has been able to

actually produce

bioluminescence

artificially in a new

protein unbeknownst to

nature or unbeknownst to

Well, not nature created, I guess.

Not nature created or knowingly,

or we don't know it to be

available in nature.

And so it's fully artificial

and has the same strength, which is,

it's amazing news because

bioluminescence allows you to test

other biological processes

so you insert

bioluminescence into

experiments and then you

can see if neurons light up

or if digestive tracts

light up or whatever

whatever it is it's a

cornerstone of feedback of

uh research in biology

And this company is

investing into both the

models but also into

robotics to test and

validate these protein

structures so you can close

the loop and get

reinforcement learning

quickly on candidate structures.

It's insane,

the rate of pace in this world.

Things that were pure sci-fi

only a year ago now seem to

be dropping away to

progress in this space.

And AI is part of that.

They also open sourced the model, which...

is a bit scary to people in

pharmaceuticals or life

sciences because models

that could generate protein

structures that could be

used to create novel viruses,

for instance,

might be seen as quite scary.

But they did some very

specific controls of after

training the model once,

They trained it a second time,

but without the data

sources for viruses and

other specific pathogen and

toxin targets.

So they cleaned the data.

Let's wind back a bit though,

a little bit.

Come back up a bit.

I'm enjoying the weeds.

but the protein folding

which is what you're

talking about which is the

three d shape the dimension

of the sequence of the

amino acids how they're

shaped in the end when they

misfold which is um then

they create obviously

sometimes negative things alzheimer's or

other constraints, right?

So diseases through

misfolding and then

obviously the functionality

of that shape of the

protein is what's quite

important and how it's

going to bind to other things,

antibodies or how it's

obviously for hormones and

things like that.

So by being able to predict

and to validate

the shapes of the protein

and the dimensions of the

protein in the end is the

thing that could help

obviously biological events, right?

Not just protein structures,

it's the relation between amino acids,

protein structures and the outcomes.

So it's holding it all in its head,

in its model,

in the relationships in the

model such that you can go

from like the desired traits

to come up with an amino

acid sequence that would

then generate the right protein.

So you can literally request

novel proteins completely

synthetically and on demand.

That's closing the loop.

That's a thing which is pure

sci-fi and has been shown to be valid.

It's learned enough about...

how nature works to be proven,

like in the sixty percent.

I think they trained it

first and it was like

thirty percent capable when

it takes a long time to

obviously close the loop

and prove that the protein

structures really work.

So robotics and remote and

robotic laboratories to

validate a part of this loop.

But

By doing it once and then testing,

they will then be able to

use reinforcement learning

to get reality back in to

the inputs to then prove

out the fact which

candidate learning is

working and give the right

signals back to the model.

So the model went between, like,

sixty percent.

But it means, like, that's a step change.

It actually might have been, like,

five percent to sixty percent.

A little dramatic.

dramatic difference so you

know going around the loop

a few two more times could

mean like crazy progress in

life sciences and it's just

one company with one one

model but a lot of money

going do you think there's

a risk obviously on the

amount of um training data

use obviously insane um but

do you think there's a risk

on people be able to create

obviously the reverse is obviously

non-beneficial aspects of it

and being absolutely great

so they open sourced um a

version of the model but

they did take very specific

safety mitigations about

making sure they cleaned

the training data

effectively to make sure

that the models uh the open

source version of the model

they thought the

the biodefense community

needed models just as much

as any adversarial agents in this space.

So it seemed like the right

thing to do would be to

allow the goodies to have

access to a model like this,

but clean the data first

and hope that's the right sort of angle.

But yeah, it's moving fast.

And yeah.

It's good.

It's good.

But a little bit scary on the edge.

Yeah.

I mean, I guess like many things,

I guess just the impact,

but I guess if you can

remodel the model that's

been used and then use the

model to predict what drugs

to use to validate,

you can just basically do a cat and mouse,

a cat and mouse effect, um,

using models to keep

resynthesizing and then re basically, um,

coming up with, uh,

the medical advancements to

obviously cater for them,

if it was to happen, I suppose.

But anyway, what do you think,

which is very, very,

very different type of

topic for us to discuss,

the Russian drone attack by the Ukraine,

the Trojan horse of crates, essentially,

rather than a horse, the Trojan crates.

And I know you were

obviously talking about this before,

but what do you think about

it all from a technological perspective,

obviously not from a strategic war

Yes, we'll stay out of too much politics.

Yeah, from a tech perspective,

it reads straight out of a

sci-fi novel of my youth, you know,

growing up, you know,

there's so many stories

about drones and swarms of drones and,

you know, this type of air.

But the audacity of the way,

the attack unfolded having

you know a covert angle to

to smuggle crates of drones

um behind enemy lines and

then to use the forgy uh

network to literally remote

control not just

doors on crates or vehicles

to release the drones which

is quite insane but also to

allow for remote piloting

of these fpv drones

in a swarm that's

coordinated so that if you

lose a signal to one drone,

you don't lose it to all of them,

an autopilot takes over.

So there's an AI element, ErdoPilot.

There's an open source

software package that's

believed to be used and

running on these drones to

allow them to navigate and to...

detect targets but with very

much human in the loop for

a pilot to be able to

switch between drones

within the swarm and then

to give the final kill

signals when they've got

confirmation of of target

acquisition but like all of

the things about this it I just

again it's showing the rate

of change of tech of ai to

run on tiny little devices

that cost and then

attacking seven billion

dollars worth of aircraft

assets um from you know

thousands of miles away

yeah three thousand miles

isn't it or something insane

just using the cell phone network.

I mean, how do you block that?

You have some burner Sims on

a bunch of drones and how

do you defend against that?

I mean, it is interesting that from a, um,

I guess from a technological perspective,

because also the, uh,

Israeli thing with the pages,

the exploding pages, um, for Hamas, um,

Like the tactics being used

are not expensive, but effective.

This is exactly it, yeah.

The typical defence is a three million,

five million,

ten million dollar sidewinder missile.

And this is not in that space at all.

Exactly,

which is making it a much more

cheaper prospect, I suppose,

to some degree.

Cheaper and more effective

prospect in terms of the

advancements of technology

and what that now means.

to war and the tactics in

war which actually makes it

kind of harder because it's

like you're saying like

missiles and missile

prevention and detection

obviously there is

investments going on that

and how do you prevent

missiles and detect them

but I mean drones being

smuggled in and like you

know thousands of them say

all I mean running around

yeah totally different

The slightly Black

Mirror-esque sort of

perspective of thousands of drones.

I think this was just

hundreds or maybe... Yeah, I mean, no.

If you imagine a future with

thousands of drones

swarming and being released

fairly innocuously or very covertly...

It's a scary new world.

I mean, you know,

with AI software that can auto target,

I mean,

maybe you're just going after one person,

but where do you hide when

there's thousands of drones

being released after you?

And they could be pretty

tiny in the future.

I mean, anyway.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Who's leading in the drone space, you know,

geopolitically?

You know,

China make the best consumer drones.

The DJI franchise, I mean, not franchise,

the company is, like,

at the cutting edge.

Didn't you say you just got

that from China?

Yeah.

Interesting.

Last year.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

I don't know what you're saying.

I have no idea.

I'm not saying anything.

I'm just saying it's just interesting.

That's all.

That's all I'm saying.

I'm not one of the conspiracy theories.

No, you're not.

Just to feed your conspiracy,

what do you think of the

fact that China does very

famously on social media show off

massive drone displays.

And is that really for their

public to be wowed like a

firework display?

Or is it a little bit

geopolitical show their

leadership in massive drone

swarm coordination

capability in their companies?

Just saying.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

But they do do very cheap car.

The BYD.

So, you know,

by the kind you can zoom off.

The other thing,

like to get off the lead

you away from the China very quickly.

Operation Spiders Web was

the name of the operation.

Everything's a spider, isn't it?

In cyber warfare.

Yeah, that was a cyber attack, wasn't it?

Yeah.

Anyway.

Yeah, I don't know why.

All spiders.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I don't really know why Operation

Spider's web.

What do you think of the

drone swarm attack from afar?

Have you got any specific takes?

I think really,

I kind of said it a little bit,

my opinion,

I think it just changes the

barrier for entry almost in

some ways on how much money

countries need to have to

be still quite effective.

Um,

and so it does kind of change the game

a little bit,

but we kind of already saw that,

like I was saying with the

pages in Israel and things like that,

like sometimes it's just, you know,

not like it's a great thing

to be discussing just

generally about wiping out

elements of the human race

for political reasons or

religious reasons, but, um,

effectiveness when on the

technology and what they're

doing and the approach is

obviously like changing you

know how small things can

become how discrete things

can become but how powerful

those discrete things are

becoming plus ai powered

and how much they really

need to function is

obviously becoming less um

in some ways so there's a lot of

there's a lot of moving things.

I mean,

even some of the articles we've

just spoken about with the ESM three and,

you know,

biological warfare as well and

things like that.

Like it's,

there's a lot that there's a

negative element to it,

obviously on what could be

leveraged and there's

positive elements that you're just saying,

well, here's amazing display.

Isn't it pretty?

Oh,

we've also just taken out a load of

people with some drones and you're like,

you know,

there's like dual use cases that

aren't always...

it reads like a cyberpunk

novel um all of this but it

shows the asymmetry isn't

just about you know

military um it's the power

of less and less entities

so the power of an individual

is also going up.

How much you can get done as

an individual and what

power you wield is

increasing with the

availability and the price

of entry of all of these tech.

Yeah, we're in a funny place, aren't we?

We're in a very strange

inflection point where I

feel like it's a bit of a

limbo phase of a huge

amount of progression.

but there seems to be quite

a lot going on geopolitically,

a lot of negative connotations,

a lot of nationalist,

protectionist viewpoints kind of going on,

and obviously,

politically moves being made.

And then you kind of think,

where's the fun,

creative aspect of the

world at the moment?

Where's the music?

Where's the creativity being produced?

Where's all that going?

So I feel like at some point

maybe AI is an enabler for

those things again, maybe,

or some different phase.

But we're in a very strange...

We are.

It's hard to know the outcomes, isn't it?

Because it's like there's so much change.

You can see it around you at

work in the slight and on the edge,

but it doesn't feel like

it's fully hit yet.

It hasn't hit home in our

heads and it hasn't hit as an outcome yet,

knowingly,

not to our everyday lives as much,

but it feels like it's

about to on many fronts.

Yeah, it feels like there's...

eight thousand balls all in

the air and just a couple

need to fall on the floor

so we can play a game but it's like

Sorry, carry on.

The balls?

It's like eight thousand

balls in the air and you're

waiting for just a few to

fall off the ground so you

can all play a game,

a football or play some sport.

But you're almost like

you're all looking at the ball.

You don't know which one's

going to come down.

Maybe all of them do.

Maybe just a few of them do.

But you need the few to get

creative on what game

you're going to play.

And I think that's kind of

in this strange place where

you don't know what you're

really trying to even do

yet with what is there.

We do know.

We know how this is all going to pan out.

Go.

Tell me, Lewis.

And this is one of my great connections.

The dog colour on your watch.

I mean,

that's ground-shakingly insane

geopolitical ramifications

of dogs on your watch, right?

Firstly, I have to find out...

What is your issue with dogs?

What has happened to you?

I'm alluding to your story.

Fy launches an iPad.

It's Fy, all right?

It's Fy.

And there's a lot of dogs.

Right now, think about it, Lewis.

Right now, today, there are loads of dogs.

either sleeping, mulling around,

maybe going for walks,

chasing bulls and doing all those things.

Do you know their biometrics

and what's happening?

Do you know their heart rate

when they're running?

Do you know their GPS location?

No.

You don't, but you should.

You should know all that data.

You can't just keep it to

yourself in your Apple Watch.

It can't just be about your

pulse rate and your heart rate.

What you need to do is you

need to find out.

about what your dog is up to, you know.

So is that what it's called?

It's spying on your dog's location?

Or do you get a dog camera?

That's just one of many facets.

So I think it's just the same as a normal,

like basically it's like wearing a watch,

but as a dog collar.

And so it's getting the same

kind of biometric

information to a degree and

heart rate and exercise

levels and things like that.

So I think it's there to say,

maybe your dog needs a walk.

Or, you know,

sometimes it's like you should move.

You've been sat down for a while.

I don't know if you've been

watching Clarkson's Farm,

but they have these collars

that they fit into their

goats with geofencing and

it gives them electric

shock if they go outside the boundaries.

So does it do that?

Can you remote control the dog?

Yeah, it does that.

It also has a helicopter

propel that comes up as well and

basically if you lose your

dog and your gps and you

see you press and it

propels and you helicopters

the dog back to you brings

it back to you brings it

back it's just yeah yeah

the blades come out it's a

doggy drone and you can

essentially like navigate

itself yeah whether it's on

the scruff of the neck if

you don't have it the right

way around it could be like

yeah there obviously are

issues with that design now

you've said that now you've

said it and done it like a

noose around the dogs I can

see there are flaws on that

design you might have to

rethink um I might and then

remove the pain aspect that

might be a bit yeah exactly

maybe maybe maybe it's not

a wise thing but yeah

anyway I I thought it was

just quite funny bit of a

funny little ad because we

always do always do like a

bit of a silly one but um I

imagine it'd be like I

think a bit like um

I've got a Garmin watch.

Got it for my birthday.

Not too flashy.

Not trying to show off, but I am.

For my birthday present.

Yeah, exactly.

Nice.

And it has been quite a

funny experience because, one,

I've never had a watch.

So, you know,

a lot of years never needed a watch.

But secondly,

I'm a bit funny with the data thing.

And actually, I find it...

a little bit gimmicky and comical,

but I wanted it for running

because I always take my

phone and I get sick of

running with my phone

because it's like I've got

to strap it to my arm and play music.

So it's much better just for that.

So I kind of really got it for that.

But it tells me, you know,

it thinks it knows how well

I've slept and it thinks it

knows quite a lot of stuff.

And the other day it gave me

a score of eight T.

and I and I was like really

tired and woke up oh my god

I'm so tired and it's like

yeah you kind of slept

quite well and I'm thinking

I can't have done I

literally feel exhausted

still so I don't think

that's true and then this

morning I woke up and I was

like I feel bloody great

let's look at my score

sixty less than the day

before apparently I slept

really badly but I felt

amazing this morning I was

like so I think it's

How I feel and what it's telling me.

Yeah, I think it's a little bit made up.

I don't know how it knows

how asleep you really are.

It said it knows what REM, you're in REM.

I don't know how it knows I'm in REM.

So unless it's watching.

You sound like, I don't know,

there's comedians that do that sort of.

I don't know how he knows.

How does he know that?

Is he looking at me?

What's he going on?

Just tell me about my dog.

Biosensing tech like

infrared checks your heart rate.

Tell me how it knows I'm in REM sleep.

How does it know I'm in REM?

It wakes you up and goes,

were you in REM sleep?

It's looking at my eye.

It comes,

my arm moves and goes right to my eyes.

Are those eyes rapid?

Rapid eyes.

It's just like the dog collar thing.

A thing sprouts out,

a little helicopter flies around,

takes out your eyes, scans you.

That's a lot of rapid eye

movement I can see there.

I think he's definitely REM, yeah.

I don't know how it really

does know I'm sure but I

might have a little I might

have to ask a chat gpt that

how on earth does this

watch no I'm in ram I'd be

like to understand that but

uh yeah I think it's still

still good things though

it's you know quite a

little good gimmicky gift

I'd look at it every so

often to see your

notifications on it now

well weirdly I did turn off

every single notification I got none

and then try to work out

what I would want to be notified on.

I don't wear a watch either,

but I keep toying with it

for swimming and heart rate

sort of health stuff.

I would imagine out of everybody,

out of both of us,

I would have assumed you would have.

I just don't like wearing,

like I can't wear, I can't, I can't just,

I don't like.

Yeah, I was the same.

I don't, I'm not used to it,

but there's a collar.

We could get you a collar if

that's more appropriate.

Yes.

As long as you can promise me, like,

you are my boss as well,

that you won't use the

geofencing pain option.

Okay.

There's lots of options.

Nipple rings.

Do you want a nipple ring instead?

Does it have the same health

benefit as the nipple version?

It doesn't have the same health benefit.

It actually has lasers.

that come out so you can cut

through things.

All sorts of... Yeah, exactly.

Very advanced tech.

Yeah, very advanced.

I like that.

That sounds... Yeah,

we should get one for everyone at work.

Yeah, we will.

We'll invest in that technology.

I'm going to then... I'm now

going to go and find out

how it knows I'm in RAM.

That's going to be my next endeavour.

Surely it's got a lot you

can chat to about.

I'm about to have a

conversation with an AI about it, yeah.

Yeah.

But yeah, anyway, interesting.

Lots going on.

We'll be back, obviously, as always,

next week.

I think I'm going to have to

do it from France, you know.

That'll be all right.

Cool.

That'll be awesome.

If you do that, that'll be... Yeah,

so we'll do it from France.

Yeah.

Indeed.

If I make it there in the car,

my big wide car that's bigger cars,

but seems to be costing my money.

Anyway, great speaking as always.

And we should be back next week.

Have a good one.

Bye.